Direct Messages - AndrewG

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AndrewG

Between 2025-03-30 00:00 and 2025-04-02 00:00

Am curious what's required for smb2j thing. I think for smb1 could maybe be done in 7-2 after doing the 2 player vine spawn glitch

17:29

Which would take a long time to setup but would be cool if possible.

hey hey.

17:32

ehm so it requires 2 long firebars or bowsers

Hmm

17:35

The vine glitch spawns seemingly random pbjects

17:35

If possible, not particularly useful , but would be interesting

17:36

For example, grabbed a mushroom that spawned in water. Kind of hilarious

17:37

Possible in vs?

probably, the bug is there in smb1, smb2j and ANN, so probably VS as well. might be more likely to just crash depending on how it handles executing bad code.

17:38

for smb1 you need to use smb1j for it to not just hard crash

Fds you mean?

yeah

I expected so

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Because the ending isn't a new transition unless on fda

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Fds

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Integrated

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Interesting

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Lol

the issue isn't actually the transition

I don't see howvthe ending of smb1 could be done since it's not like a credits screen

in the NES there's something called an IRQ interrupt, which is when the hardware tries to interrupt the game to do something else. in smb1 that never happens, so they haven't handled it, but on smb1j and 2j the FDS bios always handles those things for the disk drive interrupts and things.

"Hit axe" state?

17:42

Oh OK

so without an IRQ handler the game just dies when you start jumping into executing code in ram

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yeah for smb1 if we did find something, instead of going to the end screen we'd need to trigger the axe cutscene

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which we can do in 2j as well. but it's hard to survive that in the spot where the glitch happens in 2j. :)

The 7-2 idea is probable.

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You can crash the game there

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Though I don't know how that glitch works specifically. It's like overloaded

yeah you need to fill all but 1 enemy slot, and then spawn the long firebar or bowser

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and then do that a second time

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and it'll crash

That might be possible with the vine glitch thing

it'd be pretty cool to get it to work in smb1, even if it's not useful for speedrunning there could be other neat things to do with it

17:48

i dont really know how the vine thing works

https://youtu.be/gt61iQpQu5U?feature=shared

SMB Glitched 2-2 & 7-2 - Water Stage with Corrupted Enemies

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this crash is definitely not pleasant to work with, only works in underwater levels, so that limits it to 3. (edited)

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hm wonder if happylee would have any ideas about how to trigger a specific enemy with that

With that glitch I think only certain outcomes are possible though I'm not entirely sure the mechanics

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I know I spawned a mushroom which wasn't seen in happylees video

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He probably understands it pretty well

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Iirc I did get two fireballs to spawn

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Firebars

yeah im just trying to find any way to do this that would work rta

Hard to imagine it all lines up in both ends

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Is it possible rta for lost levels

yeah i mean lost levels

18:00

i've gotten pretty close

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just the ending that's still very hard. but the instructions i'm using also aren't the best for it, just that it was relatively easy to code it with fireballs because of the level layout.

Does it need up+down

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Did you decide to test this?

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Surprising find

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Oh forgot happylee also had thos one: https://youtu.be/Q5PZLNkgQ0M?feature=shared

SMB Glitched -1 (NES & FDS) - Water Stage with Corrupted Enemies

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Which features the mushroom. So maybe not controllable as to the sprites that load necessarily

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Or probably too limited

nah

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the fastest setup i have uses U+D, but you can manage without it, you do need 96 coins and 2 or 4 lives

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Oh wait this seems viable depending on what's required

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The -1 fds features both firebar(s) and bowser(s)?

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Check out the end of that second video

threecreepio

the fastest setup i have uses U+D, but you can manage without it, you do need 96 coins and 2 or 4 lives

Mhmmm haha

needs to be a long firebar

Mmm I think technically there should be 2 browsers here

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Bowser

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Unless the vine is despawning the first one

think it messes with all the enemies that aren't loaded in at the start of the level

Captions from hlalso says fireballs has big hotbox so maybe it is long? Idk what else is needed but this seems maybe the most likely spot if possible

yeah there's just the two enemy types that use that code

Bowser normally spawns here and a bowser is spawned at the end

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Anyway idk haha. Just came to mind

yeah if it did manage to spawn those two enemies, in a situation where you could fill the other slots, it should be possible to trigger the glitch

Hl says at the end all enemy slots filled too

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Since you can travel past flagpole

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So probably can keep spawning nonsense up to a point

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Does seem limited in some way as to which enemies sprites

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Someone who knows what they are doing could maybe try

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You could trigger it... probably in about 10 minutes if speedran

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Maybe less though... could even be under 5 minutes theoretically but doubtful

18:25

1-1, 1-2, 5-1, 5-2 as mario. Then 1-1, 1-2, -1 as luigi

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Setup usually is long though. Could probably manipulate a hammer bro to be ideal though...

yeah if you cleared up some slots maybe there'd be more interesting things to see

Would be kind of nuts if this idea worked but doubtful. Especially of it were under 454 lol. I just like that the possibility might exist there

18:29

Probably none of this is possible

mmm is most of the time waiting for the hammer bro?

Yea

18:35

Maybe 4-4 lost levels also

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I think...

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May be viable

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D-4 too

i am very not good at 1-2G

Neither am i

18:37

1 frame jump. Holding right the whole time from Start of level

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Then left at pipe

easy

The hammer bro thing usually takes a long time to set up

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Cool possibilities though.

18:41

Did u solve it? Collaborate?

oh, no. i did eventually slowly make my way to world 5 :b

18:41

that's progress

I mean who found this glitch

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Sorry I'm all over the place here

18:43

Just sone scattered thoughts

ahh. some person on twitter complained that their game crashed a few weeks ago. then that got posted to the discord a couple of days ago. Simplistic checked what had happened and saw that it was executing code from RAM. Then someone wrote to me about it, found a way for it to execute a two-byte instruction from the controller, and then found a few sets of states to try to create in order to jump to the credits.

I annoy the crap out of kosmic because my ideas are just vaguely construed

And then I've found the different setups to do the credits jump.

Very cool

So it's been a community effort I figure, me, Simplistic, Lain and a bit of help from SBDWolf.

Nice

So you need to be climbing up the top of the vine off screen to get it, right?

Yea you have to climb in the animation then get hit by hammer

18:50

Might technically have been better to go to water first as mario actually

18:50

Whoops

eh whichever

You're just gonna need to die twice

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Make sure you keep lives is all

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I'm dumb

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Sorry if I messed you up here actually

do you know how far up you need to climb for it to work? (edited)

Did you get to -1

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Because the vine glitch will happen on spawn of the other player

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As far up as possble

yeah but it'd still spawn in 1-1, right?

So you need to go die in -1 first before doing the hammer glitch

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Yea

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Vine glitch

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This glitch allows for luigi to save franerule in 1-1

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453 as luigi which I always thought waa neat

haha yeah, i had heard of that

18:58

hm, had high hopes for that one

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looks so close to the video

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oh..

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it is working

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that's what i get for not having the sound on

Oh yea....

alright. so the wait wasnt that bad

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ah gotcha the vine only happens once

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that makes a lot of sense. i dont know why i was expecting it not to. :)

Sorry I was gonna mention it but I also can't see what you're doing. My bad.

haha

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its all good. i just want to see it to see if there's anything remotely useable

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one unfortunate thing then would be that means you can't kill enemies. bummer.

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so it makes sense why the video stops there if there's nothing more you can do

Hmmmmmm